type: book
id: the-idiot--fyodor-dostoevsky
title: The Idiot
author: fyodor-dostoevsky
year: 1869
pages: 667
language: russian
format: novel
setting: russia, moscow, st. petersburg
reading_history:
  • date_start: 2026-03-10
    date_finish: 2026-05-13
    status: reading
    media: ebook
    language: ['english']
  • se vc é bonzinho vc é idiota.
  • dosto cria um personagem "perfeitamente bom" e coloca ele no "mundo real", o que leva a o estudo desse conflito e um final trágico.
  • se a gente fica estupefato com como ele se deixa ser enganado pelas pessoas, como ele realmente é um idiota, estamos fazendo justamente o argumento de dosto, a gente ja está contaminado pelo nosso mundo corrompido, e pensa assim mesmo que de forma defensiva, é essa contaminação que já nos faz confundir uma pessoa boa com um idiota.

https://youtu.be/67iTlScl3MU?si=qNfkADFGIiEYQ_

  • rogo - horns
  • lev - lion
  • mysh - mouse

the-lions-and-the-mouse--aesop
aesop lion and mouse

compassion
* multiple actions of help, charity, giving and pity by the characters can be viewed as good or bad depending on the context and the character's interest.

a conversation in the train. the prince meets rogozhin and lebedev. nastasya is introduced

  • the prince and rogozhin are opposites.
    light and dark

  • prince | rogo
    light dark
    noble non-noble
    poor rich
    innocent violent, unstable
    naive corrupt, imoral
    sinister

  • the prince was treated for eplepsy in youth, the book refers to it as "fits" but in part two they word "epilepsy" is used.

  • "prince" is a nobility title, not royalty.

  • the prince is poor and the last of his line.

  • natasya lives with totsky

  • rogozhin wants to marry nastasya

  • seeing that the prince is poor and without aid, rogo offers to help with money and things. the opportunity doesn't arise for the prince to collect.

x x x

  • epanchin is a non noble general that has risen socially and has education.
    his rise is attributed partially to changes in russia at the time. see changes

  • ms epanchin is from the dying myshkin family

  • prince goes to the epanchin house straight from the train, to meet his last family tie.
  • it's funny how he misses social cues and ettiquete in his honest and sincere way.

  • the talk about capital punishment always reminds me of le dernier jour d'un condamné by victor hugo. hugo, dostoevsky and dumas knew each other, and this type of punishment was important and relevant for the times, both as a politics instrument and a aesthetic.

  • prince is against the human fascination with violence and finds that sentencing a murderer to death is hypocritical.

  • prince doesn't have a peaceful relationship with the idea of dying.

a death sentence is worse than any death because it kills hope first
- paraphrasing?

x x x

gavrila appears

  • o jeitao desarmado do idiota deixa gen. epanchin na defensiva, mas vendo que ele é genuino, o general se abre.

  • the narrative structure of the book is deceptive in more than one way:

    • we'll discover that the prince is not poor -- as we are led to think in all part one -- he has a fortune incoming, it's not clear when he became aware of it but certainly he knew while we still regarded him as poor. dostoevsky lets this surprise us along with the other characters of the book.
    • myshkin portrais himself as unskilled, but he is actually smart and skilled for the time.
  • prince myshkin gossips like crazy and this advances the plot immensely.

  • ganya x prince
    worried aloof
    complex problems simple life

  • mas tambem é esse outtake inocente do prince que causa a diferença entre os dois, por que a atual pobresa e não ter nem roupas quentes ou onde dormir são sim problemas sérios e complexos, a coisa é que ele não se comporta como se esses fossem problemas sérios, enquanto gania tem muito mais a perder com suas próximas ações, e se comporta com a devida preocupação.

  • por isso, por mais que a análise e intenção do autor possam ser de representar/ver em myshkin essa figura a-la-christ, essa inocencia e simplicidade só vem com muito dinheiro no bolso.

  • a conversa do capitulo é que nat vai revelar a decisao dela a perpeito de casamento no fim do dia.

    • rogo vs ganya
    • or a third secret option
  • ganya quer nat por causa de um esquema que totsky armou, com dinheiro envolvido, pq ele tem que se livrar de nat para ele mesmo poder casar depois. parece também que ganya tem um esquema com uma das filhas de epanchin que pode causar problema?

  • mysh consegue um job e um lugar parar dormir, aliviando seus aparentes problemas imediatos.

  • mysh nao se ve como possivel marido para ninguem, por causa da sua "idiotice" mas isso parece ser só a impressão que ele tem dele mesmo? unclear se é seu auto conceito ou um limite real que existe, mas independente disso é uma a-sexualização do personagem que pode ser vista como christ-like

  • mysh le a figura de nat pelo seu retrato como uma boa pessoa.

  • totsky quer casar com alexandra epanchin. a estratagema familiar dos epanchin no que se concerne casamentos é não ter pressa, e isso se dá pela situação do general, que melhora em status e riqueza. isso melhora os matches que as garotas podem ter. a segunda parte da estratagema é casar primeiro a mais bonita, aglaya, aparentemente isso elevaria a posição social de toda a familia, garantindo matches mais faceis para as menos bonitas depois.

  • nat x mysh
    both orphaned at a young age

  • analysis points to totsky having sexually abused nat -- this is inferred from him isolating her in a house in the woods of a vilage and having making long visits alone. when he wants to marry and nat finds out she travels to the city to threaten to embarass and humiliate him publicly

  • nat is fearless fo totsky and of social norm - that is visible through her societal behavior.

  • so the besic logic here is that tot has to have nat married before he himself can marry to gen epan daughter. that is why he arranged the match with ganya, with a significant dowry, that is the main interest of ganya, not a more pure or romantic form of love, that at this point plays a role, even if not in the best light from the point the author is trying to make.

  • nat's power comes from embracing the scandal, controling her value in society -- which is her inherent beauty and built education. that is her way of rebeling against male dominated hierarchy.

  • Although there are several ways in which Myshkin does resemble a child, the patronizing attitude with which others treat him arguably says more about them than it does about Myshkin himself

  • dps de falar com grn. epa. vai falar com mrs epa. acham que ele vai ser retardado mas bem que ele é não só normal mas agradável e até inteligente. pedem pra ele contar histórias e escrever.

  • jesus falando com os discípulos, histórias de significância moral.

  • The story Myshkin tells here is something that happened to Dostoevsky himself. Sentenced to death for engagement in subversive political activities, Dostoevsky and several other men were taken to the scaffold to be shot by a firing squad. At the final moment, it was announced that their sentence had been commuted by the Tsar. Convinced he was about to die and that nothing could save him, Dostoevsky got another chance at life.

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parece que o principe virou um caixa automatico e a galera vai la se confesar e pedir dinheiro. outra parte da galera ele mesmo paga pra ficar perambulando por ai e coletando fofocas (colia) pra contar pra ele depois

  • Myshkin - the prince - the idiot - main character
    Prince Lev Nikolaevich Myshkin

  • Rogozhin - main antagonist?
    Parfyon Rogozhin

  • Nastasya Filippovna - the girl

  • Afanasy Ivanovich Totsky

  • Lebedev - the clerk

  • Epanchin and Ms Epanchin - Lizeta Prokofyevna Epanchin

    • daughters: Alexandra, Adelaida, Aglaya
  • Ganya - Gavrila Ardelianovich
    Possible antagonist for rogozhin in the attempt to marry nastasya

  • Pavlishchev
    The one who helped sending mysh to the clinic.

  • is the protagonist problem eplepsy?
    • yes
  • what are the changes at the time | similar to anna karienina?

    • the end of serfdom and modernization of the army are big changes of that time that are also relevant in anna karienina

    • The post‑Crimean‑War push to modernize and reform.

    • The growing weight of the state service and bureaucracy as engines of status.
    • The erosion of closed hereditary aristocracy, replaced by a more fluid, rank‑and‑money‑based elite.

    • military service becomes a path to status, specially with the crimean war and rise of bureaucracy.

    • old aristocrats still look down on "non-nobles" but marry their daughters into money and rank.
    • urban life changes what means status and gives new opportunities to rise
    • the decline of serfdom questions landed positions of power

    • anna karienina is later than the idiot and its main characters are products of the same changes represented in the idiot, in a more advanced stage as time has passed and progress and capitalism developed.

i'm always afraid of spoiling a great thought or idea by my absurd manner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Idiot

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